Comments on: Murkowski Vote Dooms Senate Legislation

By: Don Cooper

Don Cooper — Tue, 15 Jun 2010 18:44:06 +0000

“The combined global land and ocean average surface temperature for May 2010 was 0.69°C (1.24°F) above the 20th century average of 14.8°C (58.6°F). This is the warmest such value on record since 1880.”
“The combined global land and ocean average surface temperature for January–May 2010 was the warmest on record. The year-to-date period was 0.68°C (1.22°F) warmer than the 20th century average.”

By: Kennedy Maize

Kennedy Maize — Mon, 14 Jun 2010 03:28:53 +0000

Points? Points? I didn’t find no stinkin’ points.
And watch who you are calling “anti-science,” Bub. That’s more of your typical trash talk.
As for facts, there is no such person as “Bush Jr.” nor did George W. Bush (whom I loathed as president) “pull out” of Kyoto. The U.S. was never in, as neither the Clinton nor Bush administrations chose to submit the treaty for Senate ratification. For good reason. It would have won Senate rejection.
I find it intriguing that you can read Will Happer’s mind. Is that based on science, or voodoo?

By: Don Cooper

Don Cooper — Sun, 13 Jun 2010 12:11:49 +0000

So, to sum up, you have no real answer to any of the questions I raised.
Your response to the ‘anti-evolutionism’ comment is particularly humourous. You think that the denialist’s retreat into non-scientific fields just happened by chance? Anti-science ends up being ‘debated’ only where no knowledgeable opposition exists.
Happer’s call for a “Team B” to review climate science is nothing new, and again is paralleled throughout anti-science / reality denier movements of all kinds. Richard Gage, of Architechs and Engineers for 9/11 Truth, makes the same demands ( of course, to get to the ‘truth’ of 9/11, in his case ) . In fact their statements are often eerily similar.
But of course there have already been many reviews of climate science. Bush Jr. played this card when he pulled out of Kyoto, setting up a blue ribbon panel of scientists to review the IPCC findings, and they came back very strongly supportive of the IPCC and even more ‘alarmist’ than the IPCC’s position. In the ’90s many large US corporations funded the “Global Climate Coalition”; they hired their own scientific panel to review the science, and once again the IPCC was supported ( and incidentally they also shot down common denialist arguments of the sort you still support here ).
I expect that Happer’s “Team B” will never materialize, not because of evil ‘warmists’ preventing it, but because Happer already knows where it will lead. It’s a good talking point for these little conferences of believers, it’s something that certain journalists will lap up uncritically and promote, but he doesn’t want it to actually happen.