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	<title>Comments on: Methane hydrates: Gold&#8217;s predictions vindicated</title>
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		<title>By: Chris Skinner</title>
		<link>http://www.powermag.com/blog/index.php/2008/11/13/methane-hydrates-golds-predictions-vindicated/comment-page-1/#comment-457</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Skinner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 12:49:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I  think  that  the  ultimate  hybrid  vehicle  of  the  future  should  be  a  combination  of  both  methanol  fuel  cells  and  electric  batteries (with  perhaps  an  ultracapacitor  added  as  well).

  Why? Because  of  the  enormous  versatility  of  fuel  sources  and  would  stretch  methane  hydrate  resources  even  further. Electricity  for  the  batteries  can  come  from  a  multitude  of  non-fossil  sources: solar, wind, nuclear, and  geothermal. The  methanol  for  the  fuel  cells  could  come  from  a  multitude  of  sources  as  well: biomass  crops, recycled  garbage  and  also  natural  gas  chemically  converted  to  methanol.

  The  fuel  cells  would  give  the  hybrid  unlimited  range  just  like  an  internal  combustion  engine, but  with  far  greater  efficiency  and  miles  per  gallon. But  90%  of  all  miles  driven  is  short  range  trips  that  could  be  supplied  by  the  batteries. Only  the  remaining  10%  of  miles  driven  would  be  long  range  trips  powered  by  the  methanol  fuel  cells. This  would  make  even  more  efficient  use  of  the  methanol  where  very  little  is  consumed.

    And   the  methanol  could  all  be  made  from  methane  gas. Having  such  a  methanol  fuel  cell / battery  combination  would  be  the  ideal  ultimate  combination  for  hybrids, and  would  extend  an  already  vast  methane  hydrate  supply  even  further. You  could  run  the  transportation  sector  almost  forever  this  way. This  would  be  a  far  more  efficient  use  of  hydrates  for  transportation. No  sense  in  wastefully  burning-up  all  the  hydrates  just  because  the  supply  seems  endless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I  think  that  the  ultimate  hybrid  vehicle  of  the  future  should  be  a  combination  of  both  methanol  fuel  cells  and  electric  batteries (with  perhaps  an  ultracapacitor  added  as  well).</p>
<p>  Why? Because  of  the  enormous  versatility  of  fuel  sources  and  would  stretch  methane  hydrate  resources  even  further. Electricity  for  the  batteries  can  come  from  a  multitude  of  non-fossil  sources: solar, wind, nuclear, and  geothermal. The  methanol  for  the  fuel  cells  could  come  from  a  multitude  of  sources  as  well: biomass  crops, recycled  garbage  and  also  natural  gas  chemically  converted  to  methanol.</p>
<p>  The  fuel  cells  would  give  the  hybrid  unlimited  range  just  like  an  internal  combustion  engine, but  with  far  greater  efficiency  and  miles  per  gallon. But  90%  of  all  miles  driven  is  short  range  trips  that  could  be  supplied  by  the  batteries. Only  the  remaining  10%  of  miles  driven  would  be  long  range  trips  powered  by  the  methanol  fuel  cells. This  would  make  even  more  efficient  use  of  the  methanol  where  very  little  is  consumed.</p>
<p>    And   the  methanol  could  all  be  made  from  methane  gas. Having  such  a  methanol  fuel  cell / battery  combination  would  be  the  ideal  ultimate  combination  for  hybrids, and  would  extend  an  already  vast  methane  hydrate  supply  even  further. You  could  run  the  transportation  sector  almost  forever  this  way. This  would  be  a  far  more  efficient  use  of  hydrates  for  transportation. No  sense  in  wastefully  burning-up  all  the  hydrates  just  because  the  supply  seems  endless.</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis Denuto</title>
		<link>http://www.powermag.com/blog/index.php/2008/11/13/methane-hydrates-golds-predictions-vindicated/comment-page-1/#comment-23</link>
		<dc:creator>Dennis Denuto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 21:56:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My point to you exactly.  You assert this hydrate assessment validates Gold&#039;s theory with not only no evidence, but not even a tangible link in your argument.  Why do you think these things are related?

Dr. Yuri Makogon (now of Texas A&amp;M) recently was awarded a career medal at the Int&#039;l Conf on Gas Hydrates (2008 - Vancouver) for his initial work on gas hydrates in nature.  It started in the late 1960s.  Trofimuk made the first global assessments (1973 and thereafter). Also Cherskiy and Tsarev (1977), Nesterov and Salmanov (1981).  I don&#039;t want to do your research for you. If you want a detailed description of early gas hydrates research, you could look here...  I pull this from Milkov&#039;s important 2003 paper.  Google it if you want to learn more...

&quot;Makogon (1966) was apparently the first to publish a methodology of estimating hydrate-bound gas in the subsurface, although the first gas hydrate samples were recovered much later (Yefremova and Zizchenko, 1974). Around 20 global estimates of submarine gas hydrate have been published over the last 30 years, the earliest by Trofimuk et al. (1973) and the latest by Milkov et al. (2003). Kvenvolden (1999) analyzed a subset of the global estimates (Table 1) and suggested that 21×1015 m3 of methane (or 10,000 Gt of methane carbon, Kvenvolden and Lorenson, 2001) should be considered as a “consensus value” because some independent estimates (e.g., by Kvenvolden, 1988 and MacDonald, 1990) converge around that value. The value 10,000 Gt of methane carbon is currently used to justify gas hydrate research (e.g., Wood et al., 2002 and Hesse, 2003) and is incorporated into the models of the global organic carbon cycle (Kvenvolden, 2002)... 

To learn more about the current thinking among the science community on the dominantly biogenic source of the gas in gas hdyrates, you could begin by reading on pg 551 of the 3rd Edition of &quot;Clathrate Hydrates of Natural Gases&quot; by E.D. Sloan of the Colorado School of Mines.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My point to you exactly.  You assert this hydrate assessment validates Gold&#8217;s theory with not only no evidence, but not even a tangible link in your argument.  Why do you think these things are related?</p>
<p>Dr. Yuri Makogon (now of Texas A&amp;M) recently was awarded a career medal at the Int&#8217;l Conf on Gas Hydrates (2008 &#8211; Vancouver) for his initial work on gas hydrates in nature.  It started in the late 1960s.  Trofimuk made the first global assessments (1973 and thereafter). Also Cherskiy and Tsarev (1977), Nesterov and Salmanov (1981).  I don&#8217;t want to do your research for you. If you want a detailed description of early gas hydrates research, you could look here&#8230;  I pull this from Milkov&#8217;s important 2003 paper.  Google it if you want to learn more&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;Makogon (1966) was apparently the first to publish a methodology of estimating hydrate-bound gas in the subsurface, although the first gas hydrate samples were recovered much later (Yefremova and Zizchenko, 1974). Around 20 global estimates of submarine gas hydrate have been published over the last 30 years, the earliest by Trofimuk et al. (1973) and the latest by Milkov et al. (2003). Kvenvolden (1999) analyzed a subset of the global estimates (Table 1) and suggested that 21×1015 m3 of methane (or 10,000 Gt of methane carbon, Kvenvolden and Lorenson, 2001) should be considered as a “consensus value” because some independent estimates (e.g., by Kvenvolden, 1988 and MacDonald, 1990) converge around that value. The value 10,000 Gt of methane carbon is currently used to justify gas hydrate research (e.g., Wood et al., 2002 and Hesse, 2003) and is incorporated into the models of the global organic carbon cycle (Kvenvolden, 2002)&#8230; </p>
<p>To learn more about the current thinking among the science community on the dominantly biogenic source of the gas in gas hdyrates, you could begin by reading on pg 551 of the 3rd Edition of &#8220;Clathrate Hydrates of Natural Gases&#8221; by E.D. Sloan of the Colorado School of Mines.</p>
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		<title>By: KMaize</title>
		<link>http://www.powermag.com/blog/index.php/2008/11/13/methane-hydrates-golds-predictions-vindicated/comment-page-1/#comment-19</link>
		<dc:creator>KMaize</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 05:33:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To dennis denuto,
Cite some evidence please, that the Russians predicted methane hydrate resources in the 1970s. I&#039;ve followed this subject pretty closely and I&#039;m not aware of these predictions.
You assert that methane hydrates are biogenic. That&#039;s conventional wisdom. Why should we believe an assertion without evidence?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To dennis denuto,<br />
Cite some evidence please, that the Russians predicted methane hydrate resources in the 1970s. I&#8217;ve followed this subject pretty closely and I&#8217;m not aware of these predictions.<br />
You assert that methane hydrates are biogenic. That&#8217;s conventional wisdom. Why should we believe an assertion without evidence?</p>
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